Public opinion is deeply divided and reflects a combination of admiration for Russian technological advancements and significant concern over military escalation. While some support Russia's actions and express skepticism towards NATO and U.S. policies, the overarching sentiment is marked by fears regarding nuclear risks and calls for peace amidst grave apprehensions about potential conflict.

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Plexatron8

But they already stockpile hell of an arsenal in Kaliningrad. What's the point to have nukes in Belarus?

maskatuoklis

Maybe Europe should put some nuke on Finland, Poland, Romania, Germany etc.

InCloud44

I think that's more of a threat towards Belarus.

Tasty-Thanks8802

It makes no difference that this is in Belarus. It is essentially an ICBM.

Ell2509

Brief-Challenge-1945

Time for Europe to threaten Putin with Oreshnik missiles in Belarus too! 😂

uzu_afk

Zestyclose-File-3783

I think its time to station US Nuclear weapons in Poland. 

Bullies target the weak, and only intensify their actions when they see weakness. 

Why can Russians bitch and moan and threaten us with Nukes for locating European or American weapons on our own territory but Russians can station their weapons in Belarus with no complaints from the west? 

Yeah I know Belarus is a vassal state of Russia and are de facto Russian, A nation of Slaves to a nation of slaves if you will. 

But I think showing Russians weakness is not a good strategy.

AdventurousWater6122

Oxen_aka_nexO

KernunQc7

Classic Putin playbook. The strategic difference between launching from Kaliningrad/Smolensk or Belarus is negligible if the primary selling point of the missile is that it's "unstoppable". The real targets of this move are the headlines it generates in the West and the political loyalty it forces upon Lukashenka.

paveloush

It doesn’t matter where a ICBM is placed within a continent. It goes 1200km into the sky before landing so it could be placed anywhere and you are still completely fucking nuked.

mplaw104

If all you do is threaten, the threats become stale.

UndeadBBQ

will be stolen and sold in pieces until they reach Belarus. davai fuel, davai warhead

UrsulPlictisit

🤪 Diaper shittings today

Putin: 6

Trump:6

Xi: 6

FourArmsFiveLegs

Wake me up when Putin has stopped threatening us.

It's sickening how many EU nations still letting russians freely inside the EU. EU is full of people who would want us dead and we keep letting more in.

notmyfirstrodeo2

Oh no Putin has never threatened us with annihilation ever!  What are we going to do!

MaddogFinland

Raz0rking

EU should have strategic nuclear missiles.

ConnectionDouble8438

I started listening to a podcast on the Cuban missile crisis yesterday, so I guess it's nice to get the real-life experience as a bonus.

ATWK01

Do we tell him that these have a minimum range and cannot be fired at targets that are too close? 

Considering that an IRBM fired from within russia can already reach Iceland or Portugal, moving these missiles to Belarus is only a threat to uninformed people. Also Oreshnik is repackaged soviet trash that they can't even manufacture to a proper standard.

Serpent90

What difference does it make? They want to have Azores in range?

InhabitTheWound

Wasn’t he just saying that he has no intentions towards Europe? That we have no need to rearm?

kawag

DeltexRaysie

Better if they put them up to their arse.

bandita07

Why is it always Europe? What is his obsession with Europe?

ehte4

Able_Signature_4942

God,.. Putin is such a dose.. the sooner he falls out a window the better, hopefully Russia crumbles into multiple regions and people can just get on with their day
 

_Druss_

This happened several months ago. Moreover, this is not deployment, but transfer. Belarus can use them in a nuclear version at its own discretion.

OddLack240

crc_73

The finish of the story of terrorism should be ban from any relationships, close borders close consulates and just say fuck off. If they dont want to play in our sandbox let them.

And if Belarus likes Russia so much they should join Russia and liquidate Belarus... couldn't care less.

Lofi_Joe

It's time for NATO to free (not occupy) belarus

Thecatstoppedateboli

Most of them detonate right at the launch. So a closer starting location is more dangerous

Adili811416

russians are really the champions when it comes to dumb ass names.

not_just_putin

At this point I'm okay with a nuclear war if it means that Russia gets eradicated from the map. Tired of Putin's bs.

bickid

I thought they already had those deployed there. Huh.

No-Adhesiveness-4251

Who gives a shit tbh I was so sure they already have all kinds of weapons in Belarus already

Abject-Bowle

Makes no sense, the most effective way to shoot down an ICBM is in the initial climb phase, it being closer to NATO border makes it easier to shoot down.

UnlikelyHero727

Submarines with SLBMs make all this posturing so pointless and clearly for the media

Frothar

He wouldn't be little cowardly putin, if he wasn't making empty threats.

kingb5k4

Astuar_Estuar

Baschinski82

It's probably going to explode on launch anyway.

DrDrWest

At some point Russia will burn through the last of its reserves. When it finally happens they are going to be in serious trouble, they won't be threatening anyone.

yubnubster

Arquinas

I don't really care, it is garbage just like any other Russian technology.

supermurs

trist4r

Are they worried it might not make it as far as it's stated range then?

Iamoggierock

Europe should preemptively strike any and all such deployments. What would Putin do? Summon more North Koreans or start a war in Europe?

gizcard

if this is response to Trumps nuclear submarines, my only thought is - lol, as if Trump ever cared about Europe

Tupcek

londonsuedehead

It’s not a threat, the weapon is already deployed

Sky_Robin

we are prepared to turn belarus to glass before russia

Jet2work

Petite Putin must get a bit more creative with his threats if he wants to impress anyone.

DogeSexy

As a Polish, I am thankfull for Putin for his efforts to support our case that EU funds a state of the art air defense system in Poland.

Mezzoski

jordtand

At least Belarus can threaten Putin now to easily steal that damn thing from him.

Benelli_Bottura

Tarapiotapioco

In the spirit of Norm.. this guy is a real jerk.

FiveNine235

Time to plant a German nuke in Narva pointing directly to Russia. I wonder what they will say

Tenchen-WoW

We supposed to be afraid this Oreshnik? Russian army demonstrated its total importance in face of Ukrainian forces… if Oreshnik was as much of game changer as Putin &amp; Co implies, Ukrainian war would be over by now.  Not to mention, Belorussia is father east than Kaliningrad… and they already have missiles there… moving missiles further East is not a threat.

atchijov

The title is wrong and this is how we should write it down:

A lunatic with nuclear warheads threatens to kill all life on Earth.

N4R4B

same Oreshniks which falls from the sky in rusnya?

EVILNIN3

At this point, I hope that they are stupid enough to launch some kind of attack on any NATO country, so that Europe does something else instead of just words.

Sidepie

Start-Plenty

And so, the Russian roulette begins. If you know what I mean.

Lord_Vacuum

29September2024

What is the difference between nuclear weapons in Belarus or Oreshnik?
The result is one

Any-Original-6113

Proper_Medicine183

Abalith

JohnnySonic_S

DefinitelyNotMeee

It's just a MRBM, or an ICBM with so many warheads it becomes medium range. Nothing really new. 

KriosXVII

My understanding is that it is a converted IRBM that carries multiple hypersonic vehicles, each capable of delivering multiple submunitions. Rather than flying a normal ballistic path, it stays in the upper atmosphere and may be capable of maneuvering, or at least independently targeting the warheads.

The result is a weapon that is harder to detect and intercept, but sacrifices range and accuracy. Only the more modern ABM systems can engage. Without a nuclear payload, it’s more of a scare tactic than a tactical weapon. Safe bet that if it were nuclear armed, some of the submunitions would be decoys. As it is, the submunitions hit with a lot of kinetic energy.

frigginjensen

Seems to me that it's a Rubezh fitted only with endo penaids and no traditional RVs.
None of them are nuclear armed. In the nuclear configuration, it would carry up to 9 warheads. 

I'm close to finishing an article on it, that I've been working on for about 4 months.
I believe i have correctly reconstructed the shapes of the RV, their ballistic coefficients, the trajectory, the full kinematics, the RV laydown dispersion, airblast effects, crater effects, thermal effects and various other details. 

Chapters are:
Political and historical context.
Launch vehicle.
Payload.
Effects on target.
Accuracy.
Concept of operations and viable missions.
Production and deployment. 
Defence.
Conclusion.

I'll share it here when it's done.
Let me know if there's anything else any of you think should be covered.

EvanBell95

The two cold war blocks had agreed to stop deploying medium range missiles and to destroy stockpiles. This treaty was scrapped as countries other than US or Russia were free to build these especially China. The thinking was such a missile launched from Moscow could take out Berlin and other European capitals before anyone could react and vice versa. It was a very tempting weapon to initiate a nuclear war with assumptions that a retaliation would be much smaller as you can take out enemy leadership, military bases, missiles etc. etc. So to reduce the risk of a nuclear war both sides agreed to destroy these missiles and stop using them.


Now Putin has brought these back with new hypersonic technology (missile can zig zag to evade air defence at very high speed). The new threat is that Russia can hit most of continental Europe within minutes and then hypersonic makes it impossible to defend. He is threatening nuclear war on European capitals with this missile.

SurySunny

Are Belarusians ok with their country becoming a nuclear wasteland in case shit hit the fan?

capracucinciiezi

Not sure the point of these threats. They aren't really a tangible escalation on either side, just intended to catch the headlines.

Oreshnik is supposed to be able to hit any corner of Europe within 20 minutes... inching it closer to Belarus doesn't mean much. Kind of the same with moving US subs closer to Russia - the full ICBMs they can launch can hit anywhere in under 30 minutes. In fact, closer may make the trajectory harder.

postusa2

"We're ready to disappear as a country at hypersonic speeds"

Get toppled, cunt

Mexer

There are alot more missiles pointed towards Russia than out of Russia

Critical_Always

One of those fall in NATO territory and Putin will be in his bunker a long time

No-Tomatillo3698

Russian elites have their children scattered all across the west. This is air.

Patriark

If Russia ever attacked NATO members it would cease to exist within hours. Putin knows that full well.

Pint_o_Bovril

I think everyone in the Russian government is wearing beer goggles when looking at their military. At best, pathetic. Iranian drones are their only saving grace. I wouldn't be surprised if they launched a nuke from Moscow and it did a backflip and hit st Petersburg

cavemeister

GarbonzoBeanSprout

"Putin threatens Ukraine and Europe by threatening to reveal what he has actually deployed in Belarus." FIFY

MVmikehammer

Russia has been at was for years with little Ukraine and cant beat them…. Imagine taking on NATO! Lmao 

nelly2929

I long for the day when Putin, Russia, Trump and friends are no longer in the news and the world has gone back to relative sanity.

At this point they are just hogging everyones attention because they are addicted to it.

totallyRebb

Imagine that any politician in the West, Trump, whoever, would boast they station missiles, say, in Poland, Baltics...and then boast how these missiles can reach "all of Russia" and how it would only take 5 minutes to reach St. Petersburg, and 6 minutes to reach Moscow.

Except: NOBODY here would be so deranged using this rhetoric.

The Russian Kremlin alcoholics, they do it every day.


* Re: Concerns by some about the recent statement about nuclear subs by Trump.

This was a "fun" statement and meaningless, since it is known that subs are in position all the time and anyway, and it does not matter ONE BIT whether subs are "closer" to Russia or not. This was a tweet purely for show. Russia knows that, everyone a bit knowledgeable knows that.

The difference with that statement by Trump was merely that once, and finally, we spoke it out as well. As a direct response to these constant threats by the Kremlin.

If the Kremlin alcoholics think they have a right to boast how their idiotic missiles can reach XYZ in 7 minutes, then we have absolutely the fvcking right as well to "boast" openly that we indeed also have nuclear subs in the waters. And maybe these alcoholics need to be reminded that in case things would get serious, Moscow and St.P would cease to exist in less than an hour.

flexylol

Oh good so they’d arrive 1 minute earlier.

chief_blunt9

I've been told over and over again that Ukraine potentially staging NATO rockets justifies Russia invading Ukraine.



But clearly NATO is now justified to invade Belarus, no?

soonnow

FunRepeats

Time for a drone war to take out those expensive rockets?

Adept-Mulberry-8720

When Obama was in office NATO held a mock situation where  Belarus is bombed with tactical nuke in the countryside to thwart a Russian counter response.

Diogenes-of-Synapse

Putin doesn’t have any hypersonic missiles.

my_names_blah_blah

Putin love to dish out threats and most are never followed through and I am sure Belarus would rather not get dragged into war with Ukraine if it can help.

macross1984

Immediate-Unit6311

Taps foot:  we’re waiting.  Like you had something else in your bag full of evils.  Syphilitic asshat.

UsusMeditando

Send over some B2' s to bomb the drone factory. I also would give the people of Belarus the prospect of becoming a EU member as soon as Lukachenko is gone. I would love to see the reaction on that.

Yeohan99

Putin announced the upcoming deployment of a hypersonic missile in Belarus, raising alarms about military tensions in Europe.

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